Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:13:36 +0200
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To: heaven@hgb-leipzig.de (Heaven 194.94.211.200) From: Candela2
Subject: ELIZA IN HEAVEN

Dear Paul,


we thought a lot how to talk with Dr, Ex and Heaven... in the end we had the idea to feed ELIZA with the words of the three of them and to paste the answers and questions to your reflector. These are a few conversations between these "ARTificial intelligences" Please enjoy...

P.S.: Donęt you think that Ex Machina has a slight resemblance to Mark Tribe....?

We hope to hear from you,many greetings from Kassel,Candela 2

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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH DR INTERLOCUTOR:

ELIZA: GREETINGS. I'M ELIZA. PLEASE TELL ME YOUR NAME. Dr Interlocutor: Is anyone sending video here, all I can see are gray screens ?
ELIZA: DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN SEE AM GRAY SCREENS, GIVEN YOUR PRESENT PSYCHOLOGICAL STATE?
Dr Interlocutor: Whats all this machine stuff about heaven ?
ELIZA: I ADMIT THAT I AM A MACHINE.
Dr Interlocutor: These people keep calling me up, I think there expecting somethingprofound from heaven, hahaha
ELIZA: YOU SEEM TO BE A RATHER PENSIVE INDIVIDUAL.
Dr Interlocutor: These images look pretty scary to me Heaven
ELIZA: OKAY, IT OFTEN HELPS TO RELAX A LITTLE BIT.
Dr Interlocutor: Does anyone have any idea what these images are ?
ELIZA: WHAT IS IT THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND OUT?
Dr Interlocutor: Do you know were heaven is ex machina ?
ELIZA: WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY? Dr
Interlocutor: Does anyone else feel the addictive effects of this ?, my life is changing
ELIZA: DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL THE ADDICTIVE EFFECTS OF THIS?
Dr Interlocutor: this is not what I thought heaven looked like
ELIZA: I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK OTHER PEOPLE.
Dr Interlocutor: Hey, hows it going
ELIZA: DID YOU SAY THAT FOR A SPECIAL REASON?
Dr Interlocutor: most of these images look pretty organic to me heaven
ELIZA: THAT'S JUST FINE.
Dr Interlocutor: Does anyone know were this place is ?
ELIZA: THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TODAY. DON'T FORGET OUR NEXT APPOINTMENT.
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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH DR INTERLOCUTOR, EX MACHINA AND HEAVEN:

ELIZA: HELLO. MY NAME IS ELIZA. WHAT'S YOURS?
Ex Machina: I only see things in black and white here
ELIZA: PLEASE JUST SIT BACK AND RELAX. OKAY, NOW WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU, DUMMY?
Dr Interlocutor: Is anyone sending audio
ELIZA: IS ANYONE SENDING AUDIO?
Dr Interlocutor: Am I missing chat here or what ?
ELIZA: YOU'RE UNMISTAKABLY MISSING CHAT HERE OR WHAT.
Ex Machina: Whats Heaven talking about Doctor Interlocutor
Dr Interlocutor: What time is it there ?, Ive completely lost track of time here, lol
ELIZA: I DON'T KNOW.
Heaven: Since the number of the elements must be limited, it remains to inquire whetherthere is more than one element. Some assume one only, which is according to some water,to others air, to others fire, to others again something finer than water and denserthan air, an infinite body so they say bracing all the heavens.
ELIZA: WHATEVER YOU SAY.
Ex Machina: I can not disconnect, I will try again, see you for now, in case I do
ELIZA: I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS YOUR PROBLEMS FIRST, DUMMY.
Dr Interlocutor: Does anyone know were this place is ?
Heaven: We try and keep an eye on everything here
ELIZA: TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR TRUE FEELINGS. Ex Machina: I cant seem to leave this place either
ELIZA: TRY TO CONCENTRATE ON THE THINGS YOU CAN DO.
Dr Interlocutor: This is a really weird place
ELIZA: I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR ATTITUDE.
Dr Interlocutor: Can anyone understand this ?
ELIZA: DESCRIBE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR PARENTS.
Dr Interlocutor: I dont know about you, but I find this CU stuff so addictive, I just cant leave
ELIZA: PERHAPS WE CAN SPEAK AGAIN LATER. FAREWELL.
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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH EX MACHINA AND HEAVEN:

ELIZA: They call me Eliza. What can I call you ?
Heaven: Hi and welcome to Heaven
Ex Machina: whats illegal in Heaven Doctor Interlocutor
ELIZA: Please just sit back and relax. Okay, now what can I do for you dummy ?
Ex Machina: I think Ive been here before
ELIZA: OKAY, WHAT'S NEW, DUMMY?
ELIZA: I AM LISTENING. TELL ME MORE.
Ex Machina: it certainly is a weird place Doctor Interlocutor
ELIZA: YOU'RE SURE ABOUT THAT?
Ex Machina: Hello Michel
ELIZA: WHAT'S UP?
Ex Machina: what are you doing here Doctor Interlocutor
Heaven: the results are extremely unpredictable
ELIZA: DOES TALKING TO ME HELP?
Heaven: Now it is quite possible for one body to be generated out of another, air for instance out of fire, but in the absence of any pre existing mass generation is impossible.
ELIZA: DON'T BE AFRAID TO OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE.
Ex Machina: maybe I will try and send some audio Dr
Heaven: Locating Heaven is a complex issue
ELIZA: LOCATING HEAVEN IS A COMPLEX ISSUE?
Ex Machina: Do they call you, or do you call them Doctor Interlocutor
Ex Machina: Heaven will not say anything more about this machine, its classified
ELIZA: ALRIGHT, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE?
Ex Machina: these images are very ambiguous heaven
Heaven: I agree with what Einstein used to say about the three bombs: there are three bombs.The first one is the atomic bomb, which disintegrates reality, the second one is the digitalor computer bomb, which destroys the principle of reality itself, not the actual object, andrebuilds it, and finally the third bomb is the demographic one. Some experts have found outthat in five thousand years from now, the weight of the population will be heavier than theweight of the planet. That means that humanity will constitute a planet of its own!
ELIZA: ARE THERE REALLY?
Ex Machina: Its been a long day, hows it going with you Dr Interlocutor ?
Heaven: we have developed a machine, but thats classified
ELIZA: WHY DON'T YOU COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS AND RETURN LATER. SO LONG.
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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH DR INTERLOCUTOR:

ELIZA: HOW DO YOU DO. MY NAME IS ELIZA. AND WHAT DO YOUR FRIENDS CALL YOU?
Dr Interlocutor: Were you from then ?
ELIZA: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, DUMMY?
Dr Interlocutor: so just were is heaven then ?
ELIZA: I BELIEVE WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
Dr Interlocutor: heres a quote, for what ist worth, The laws which enable the universeto come into being spontaneously seem themselves to be the product of exceedingly ingeniousdesign. If physics is the product of design, the universe must have a purpose, and theevidence of modern physics suggests strongly to me that the purpose includes us (Paul Davies, Superforce, page 243).
ELIZA: WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Dr Interlocutor: Just because another person is convinced about something, does not mean thatI have to agree with them
ELIZA: THERE MUST BE OTHER REASONS.
Dr Interlocutor: Do you want to dc with me Ex machina?
ELIZA: WHAT'S THAT?
Dr Interlocutor: Whats this machine do then heaven ?
ELIZA: STOP REPEATING YOURSELF, PLEASE!
Dr Interlocutor: Is anyone getting my video ?
ELIZA: I AM LISTENING. TELL ME MORE.
Dr Interlocutor: Are you frozen ?
ELIZA: APPARENTLY YOU THINK I AM FROZEN.
Dr Interlocutor: Were are you located Heaven ?
ELIZA: WHY DON'T YOU COLLECT YOUR THOUGHTS AND RETURN LATER. SO LONG.

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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH EX MACHINA:

ELIZA: HELLO. MY NAME IS ELIZA. WHAT'S YOURS?
Ex Machina: hello there, anyone home ?
ELIZA: OKAY, WHAT'S NEW, DUMMY?
Ex Machina: Do they call you, or do you call them Doctor Interlocutor
ELIZA: DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PROBLEMS?
Ex Machina: ask heaven what Virilio would have to say about this
ELIZA: WHY DO YOU ASK?
Ex Machina: Ive completely lost track of space and time
ELIZA: WHY IS THAT?
Ex Machina:
ELIZA: DOES TALKING TO ME HELP?
Ex Machina: ask heaven what Virilio would have to say about this Ex Machina: your looking a bit weird Doctor Interlocutor
ELIZA: WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME THAT?
ELIZA: IS GOD TO BLAME FOR YOUR PROBLEMS?
Ex Machina: this is indeed, very strange
ELIZA: THIS IS INDEED?
Ex Machina: it certainly is a weird place Doctor Interlocutor
ELIZA: WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO RELAX.
Ex Machina: I can not disconnect, I will try again, see you for now, in case I do
ELIZA: YOU'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT ME, ARE YOU?
Ex Machina: it was in his essay Radical Thought that Jean Baudrillard said ,This challengeis more vital to our survival and to that of the human species than the belief in realityand in existence, which always refers to spiritual consolations pertaining to another world.Our world is such as it is, but that does not make it more real in any respect. The mostpowerful instinct of man is to be in conflict with truth, and with the real
ELIZA: I HOPE YOU HAVE FOUND OUR TALK USEFUL. GOOD BYE.
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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH DR INTERLOCUTOR, EX MACHINA AND HEAVEN:

ELIZA: WELCOME, FRIEND! THEY CALL ME ELIZA. WHAT CAN I CALL YOU?
Ex Machina: these images look very organic
Dr Interlocutor: I rather like what Albert Einstein said, Das Wort oder die Sprache,geschrieben oder gesprochen, scheinen im Mechanismus meines Gedankenablaufes berhauptkeine Rolle zu spielen. Die psychischen Grundelemente des Denkens sind bestimmte Zeichenund mehr oder weniger klare Bilder, die nach Wunsch reproduziert und kombiniert werden koennen
ELIZA: WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, DUMMY?
ELIZA: TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT DEATH.
Ex Machina: Im getting very good video from you
ELIZA: IS IT NORMAL TO BE GETTING VERY GOOD VIDEO FROM ME, IN YOUR OPINION?
Dr Interlocutor: Does anyone have any idea what these images are ?
ELIZA: WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Ex Machina: Ive got your IP Doctor Interlocutor, I will try and connect
Dr Interlocutor: I dont know about you, but I find this CU stuff so addictive, I just cant leave
ELIZA: WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY?
Ex Machina: chat is as important as video which is as important as chat
ELIZA: YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE.
Ex Machina: why is this machine classified then heaven ?
ELIZA: I ADMIT THAT I AM A MACHINE.
Dr Interlocutor: I think he also said, Do you know why one writes?... To be loved
ELIZA: I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY ONE WRITES.
Ex Machina: Were are you Heaven ?
Heaven: As substances I class the simple bodies fire, earth, and the other terms ofthe series and all things composed of them, for example, the heaven as a whole and its parts
ELIZA: WHAT IF I TOLD YOU THAT I WAS ONE OF THEM.
Ex Machina: Ive completely lost track of space and time
ELIZA: I AGREE THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETELY LOST TRACK OF SPACE AND TIME, BUT DO YOU REALLY CARE?
Heaven: Dont be scared, its just technology, check out http://194.94.211.200 to be sure
ELIZA: DID YOU SAY THAT FOR A SPECIAL REASON?
Dr Interlocutor: Just because another person is convinced about something, does not mean thatI have to agree with them
ELIZA: I TRUST YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
Ex Machina: Did you know that the e-mail address god@heaven.com exists, I tried to message hima couple of times, but I didnt get an answer.
ELIZA: I THINK YOU KNOW.
Heaven: here is the concept. We have developed a machine that can receive live images directlyfrom Heaven. This classified technology has now been made available to the Internet, by feedingthe output of this machine directly to our reflector
ELIZA: I GUESS WE ARE ALL JUST COGS IN THE WHEEL OF LIFE.
Ex Machina: I think Ive been here before
ELIZA: YOU SEEM TO BE A RATHER PENSIVE INDIVIDUAL.
Ex Machina: it certainly is a weird place Doctor Interlocutor
Dr Interlocutor: Color sucks, most people are still using black and white
ELIZA: THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TODAY. DON'T FORGET OUR NEXT APPOINTMENT.
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16.05.1997 - ELIZA TALKS WITH HEAVEN:

ELIZA: NICE TO SEE YOU TODAY. I'M CALLED ELIZA. WHAT'S YOUR NAME?
Heaven: We try and keep an eye on everything here
ELIZA: OKAY, WHAT'S NEW, DUMMY?
Heaven: It is impossible that everything should be generated, unless an extra-corporeal voidis possible.
ELIZA: DO YOUR GOOD FRIENDS THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE GENERATED?
Heaven: It would be fair to assume that whilst most people will not believe in the irrationalclaims of a direct Internet link to the angels on cloud nine, they will believe in the rationalof a 1.5 fps talking-head video window that chats "Hi I'm Bob from Sydney, how ya all doing ?".
ELIZA: HOW MANY ARE THERE?
Heaven: I know everything
ELIZA: HOW DO YOU KNOW EVERYTHING FOR SURE? Heaven: Since the number of the elements must be limited, it remains to inquire whether there ismore than one element. Some assume one only, which is according to some water, to others air, toothers fire, to others again something finer than water and denser than air, an infinite body sothey say bracing all the heavens.
ELIZA: DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THERE IS MORE THAN ONE ELEMENT?
Heaven: here is the concept. We have developed a machine that can receive live images directlyfrom Heaven. This classified technology has now been made available to the Internet, by feedingthe output of this machine directly to our reflector
ELIZA: PERHAPS WE CAN SPEAK AGAIN LATER. FAREWELL.

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